I need a true Historian for this

[GirlBully2]

lol.. heard that shit from someone before ( i think it mighta actually have been on NR).. chose to disregard it..

[virgoluv]

Originally Posted by GirlBully2

lol.. heard that shit from someone before ( i think it mighta actually have been on NR).. chose to disregard it..

BUAHHAAHA...suspect mgbati girl

[Thalia Al Ghul]

Originally Posted by Calypso

I've been working on it for a min so I figure other ppl can shed some light on this to help him understand.

was talking bout this.

Originally Posted by kai

lol. ok. One of these days I'll read this

[Boss]

to be read later...

but i do know the ooni of ife and the oba of benin traded gifts...i dont think slaves trade gifts with their masters sha...at least in the african set up

[omoge86]

My understanding of the whole Edo - Yoruba issue is that Benin Kingdom was the kingdom from which modern day Yorubas dispersed and in turn formed their own culture which grew faster because modern day Edos were more focused around the Egue(Oba's Palace) and not into growing into vast lands cuz as always we're peaceful people.

But the whole people having Edo and Yourba names is because there are a lot of Edo ne kue (Edo Akure - mix of Edo and Yoruba lineages) My mum is from such lineage but she's more Edo than Yoruba though my grandfather named my mum and her younger siblings Yoruba names because the Yorubas have a way of naming their children that are twins and the ones that come after the twins.

[Bende]

nothing more to be said, FIE told them the truth, slaves indeed,

[anddar]

Originally Posted by omoge86

My understanding of the whole Edo - Yoruba issue is that Benin Kingdom was the kingdom from which modern day Yorubas dispersed and in turn formed their own culture which grew faster because modern day Edos were more focused around the Egue(Oba's Palace) and not into growing into vast lands cuz as always we're peaceful people.

But the whole people having Edo and Yourba names is because there are a lot of Edo ne kue (Edo Akure - mix of Edo and Yoruba lineages) My mum is from such lineage but she's more Edo than Yoruba though my grandfather named my mum and her younger siblings Yoruba names because the Yorubas have a way of naming their children that are twins and the ones that come after the twins.

at the bolded...if you read history, you'd know that's a damn lie.


Anyways, my family (not all that long ago) came from Benin to Ekiti and other Yoruba kingdoms. We consider ourselves Yoruba, but that kind of back and forth trade was apparently common...we're relatives na

Yoruba people learn an Ife-centric history, and Edo people learn the "Ekaladerhan" (sp?) history.

Since we didn't write, who really knows which one is real? But I'll say Ife, 'cause that's what Edo people first told the white man

[Ariya]

Originally Posted by anddar

Yoruba people learn an Ife-centric history, and Edo people learn the "Ekaladerhan" (sp?) history.

Give this man a prize--there are Edo and Yoruba scholars with PhDs who still don't get this simple concept. Instead, they argue about whose vmythology is correct.

1. Neither Edo or Yoruba people "originated" from each other. Both languages come from common origins in the area of central Nigeria (Niger-Benue confluence), as established by glottochronology.

2. Ekalderhan is not Oduduwa, and Oduduwa is not the "father" of the Oba of Benin etc. Both are mythological figures, not historical ones. There were no giant migrations from Arabia, Egypt, or elsewhere. There were possible movements of small groups of people bringing new political ideas from areas north of Nigeria, but that's it. Both Edo and Yoruba have been spoken in their current areas for thousands of years.

Yoruba and Edo are neighboring groups, and there has been intermarriage, trade, and conquest between eastern Yorubaland/western Edoland for hundreds of years. The similarities in terminology, political systems, and so on comes from this. Edo armies supposedly established the royal line in Eko, for instance, while Ife traditions claim that former Obas are buried there as a symbolic return home.

The Edo did tell the Portuguese that their royal dynasty originated in the interior near the Niger-Benue confluence. Most people understood this to be Ife, and the earliest Edo historians like Jacob Egharevba wrote that the Edo royal line (not the entire people) came from Ile-Ife.

More recently, the Oba of Benin put out his own story about the Ife royal line coming from Benin. The more likely truth is that both groups developed ideas about kingship and royal rule from groups to the north (Nupe, Jukun, and possibly Hausa, or one of the many similar cultures with monarchic traditions in that region). For instance, the word 'birnin' means 'walled city/area' in middle-belt/northern Nigeria, and is likely to be the origin of the word 'Benin'. To give these new ideas more prestige, they became recorded in myths of conquest, migration, and so on.

Ile-Ife has been continuously inhabited since at least the 3rd century before Christ and was a political center long before the rise of Benin, or the royal traditions we're talking about. Like most areas in southern Nigeria, the area would have been ruled by a group of title-holders (don't like the word 'chief', but you get the meaning), possibly holding the title 'oba' or some variation of it. You still see vestiges of these titles in words like 'baale' (oba-ile; 'land-leader') or 'balogun' ( (oba-logun; 'war leader') etc.

Ryders in the NY area are invited to an upcoming lecture on these and other matters. Make a modest Vbux donation for time and address information

[anddar]

Originally Posted by Ariya

Give this man a prize--there are Edo and Yoruba scholars with PhDs who still don't get this simple concept. Instead, they argue about whose vmythology is correct.

1. Neither Edo or Yoruba people "originated" from each other. Both languages come from common origins in the area of central Nigeria (Niger-Benue confluence), as established by glottochronology.

2. Ekalderhan is not Oduduwa, and Oduduwa is not the "father" of the Oba of Benin etc. Both are mythological figures, not historical ones. There were no giant migrations from Arabia, Egypt, or elsewhere. There were possible movements of small groups of people bringing new political ideas from areas north of Nigeria, but that's it. Both Edo and Yoruba have been spoken in their current areas for thousands of years.

Yoruba and Edo are neighboring groups, and there has been intermarriage, trade, and conquest between eastern Yorubaland/western Edoland for hundreds of years. The similarities in terminology, political systems, and so on comes from this. Edo armies supposedly established the royal line in Eko, for instance, while Ife traditions claim that former Obas are buried there as a symbolic return home.

The Edo did tell the Portuguese that their royal dynasty originated in the interior near the Niger-Benue confluence. Most people understood this to be Ife, and the earliest Edo historians like Jacob Egharevba wrote that the Edo royal line (not the entire people) came from Ile-Ife.

More recently, the Oba of Benin put out his own story about the Ife royal line coming from Benin. The more likely truth is that both groups developed ideas about kingship and royal rule from groups to the north (Nupe, Jukun, and possibly Hausa, or one of the many similar cultures with monarchic traditions in that region). For instance, the word 'birnin' means 'walled city/area' in middle-belt/northern Nigeria, and is likely to be the origin of the word 'Benin'. To give these new ideas more prestige, they became recorded in myths of conquest, migration, and so on.

Ile-Ife has been continuously inhabited since at least the 3rd century before Christ and was a political center long before the rise of Benin, or the royal traditions we're talking about. Like most areas in southern Nigeria, the area would have been ruled by a group of title-holders (don't like the word 'chief', but you get the meaning), possibly holding the title 'oba' or some variation of it. You still see vestiges of these titles in words like 'baale' (oba-ile; 'land-leader') or 'balogun' ( (oba-logun; 'war leader') etc.

Ryders in the NY area are invited to an upcoming lecture on these and other matters. Make a modest Vbux donation for time and address information

A fellow African history buff...keep educating 'em jare