An attestation of perfection. Islam.

[RetiredEgo]

An attestation to perfection

So Onyiiboy, I want to easily prove to you here why Islam is easily the closest to human perfection among all other things on Earth. Please feel free to conterject with any other faith, gnostic way etc.

So I will stay away from things we can not prove and stay with simple things we can prove and we actually both know.

Before any thing can be deemed perfect/on a perfect path, it must have a perfect plan. Since the path and the certainty of the journeys end can never be demonstrated on paper to live man in Earths limitations.

The only thing we men can use to show perfection is proving a perfect plan.

Ie a perfect architectural plan that all things being equal will/should reasonably lead to perfection. A perfect religious hypothesis so to say. Examples of erroneous hypothesis are the Egyptian ways of making homes underground which have proven to be erroneous plans not useful in perfection but rather only perfect for museums.

1. So since perfection has been lost as many scriptures have been altered in translation as we both know. Islam secured this front ensuring that as a rule, its scripture isn’t scripture unless it is in the home base source language,- Arabic. This perfect plan secured completely the loophole in others who allow and accept translations as scripture.

2. For tha above to make sense, Arabic must be a divine language or must be claimed to be, to show the planner knew what he was planning, and not surprisingly., Islam claims that Arabic is a divine language, the language of heaven(Jews say it’s Hebrew), and Arabic is unique, as we traditionalists believe in starting from the right, Arabic from its first day is written uniquely right to left, and its books open conventional back as front, ensuring a right comes first method of reading. Building a case of an intelligent, known, not coincidental plan for perfection.

You see perfection of a message can not be attained if the script is not perfect and if the perfect script is not perfectly sustained as the sealing perfect script, and if the perfect script doesn’t conform with the proclaimed moral and decency teachings just as a living being, right hand for clean, left hand for using toilet roll to clean the arse and not tendered in hand shakes or used for eating, etc. I am not saying these perfect sealing qualities are accurate, exist or are the best. I am just saying that the fact that such a plan or actual occurrence is existent in Islam, is comforting proof of perfection or perfectioning or perfectionic thougt in the founder. And I am satisfied with this.


More on attestation to perfection coming……

[omomummy]

...the perfection of islam has been ordained, planned and perfected beyond the human comprehension. issues about the acceptance of this deen is actually a blessing and favour to whom ever is in the fold...looking forward to the issues of perfection coming... JAZZAK....

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

An attestation to perfection

So Onyiiboy, I want to easily prove to you here why Islam is easily the closest to human perfection among all other things on Earth. Please feel free to conterject with any other faith, gnostic way etc.

So I will stay away from things we can not prove and stay with simple things we can prove and we actually both know.

Before any thing can be deemed perfect/on a perfect path, it must have a perfect plan. Since the path and the certainty of the journeys end can never be demonstrated on paper to live man in Earths limitations.

The only thing we men can use to show perfection is proving a perfect plan.

Ie a perfect architectural plan that all things being equal will/should reasonably lead to perfection. A perfect religious hypothesis so to say. Examples of erroneous hypothesis are the Egyptian ways of making homes underground which have proven to be erroneous plans not useful in perfection but rather only perfect for museums.

1. So since perfection has been lost as many scriptures have been altered in translation as we both know. Islam secured this front ensuring that as a rule, its scripture isn’t scripture unless it is in the home base source language,- Arabic. This perfect plan secured completely the loophole in others who allow and accept translations as scripture.

2. For tha above to make sense, Arabic must be a divine language or must be claimed to be, to show the planner knew what he was planning, and not surprisingly., Islam claims that Arabic is a divine language, the language of heaven(Jews say it’s Hebrew), and Arabic is unique, as we traditionalists believe in starting from the right, Arabic from its first day is written uniquely right to left, and its books open conventional back as front, ensuring a right comes first method of reading. Building a case of an intelligent, known, not coincidental plan for perfection.

You see perfection of a message can not be attained if the script is not perfect and if the perfect script is not perfectly sustained as the sealing perfect script, and if the perfect script doesn’t conform with the proclaimed moral and decency teachings just as a living being, right hand for clean, left hand for using toilet roll to clean the arse and not tendered in hand shakes or used for eating, etc. I am not saying these perfect sealing qualities are accurate, exist or are the best. I am just saying that the fact that such a plan or actual occurrence is existent in Islam, is comforting proof of perfection or perfectioning or perfectionic thougt in the founder. And I am satisfied with this.


More on attestation to perfection coming……

1. Does that perfect plan also have a built in mechanism for dialects within Arabic as well as changes with meaning over the course of a few hundred years?

2. Wouldn't it make more sense for a divine language to be the one (written and spoken)?

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by omomummy

...the perfection of islam has been ordained, planned and perfected beyond the human comprehension. issues about the acceptance of this deen is actually a blessing and favour to whom ever is in the fold...looking forward to the issues of perfection coming... JAZZAK....

The perfection of my religion is beyond human comprehension. Isn't that the perfect copout?

[RetiredEgo]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

The perfection of my religion is beyond human comprehension. Isn't that the perfect copout?

I do not think this person means beyond as 'out of', I think he/she means- beyond as in, 'including our total comprehension and much more'...

[RetiredEgo]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

1. Does that perfect plan also have a built in mechanism for dialects within Arabic as well as changes with meaning over the course of a few hundred years?

2. Wouldn't it make more sense for a divine language to be the one (written and spoken)?

1. I believe there can be a group/bunch of perfect dialects to a perfect language, all of which are perfect.

2. A perfect plan/template/manuscript need not be adjusted over time, it can be built in with a self adjustory mechanism that will make it provide instructions on needed adjustments to ways of life/usage over time, not its content. This is what I expect of perfection, you may expect otherwise.

Like math, the formulas from the 10th century may be perfect, but our roles/applications may change over time.


So let's continue....

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

1. I believe there can be a group/bunch of perfect dialects to a perfect language, all of which are perfect.

2. A perfect plan/template/manuscript need not be adjusted over time, it can be built in with a self adjustory mechanism that will make it provide instructions on needed adjustments to ways of life/usage over time, not its content. This is what I expect of perfection, you may expect otherwise.

Like math, the formulas from the 10th century may be perfect, but our roles/applications may change over time.


So let's continue....

1. If you have all the different dialects, then which one is the right one?

2. You didn't answer the question.

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

I do not think this person means beyond as 'out of', I think he/she means- beyond as in, 'including our total comprehension and much more'...

Whats the difference? Its still a copout, similar to Christians saying the "Holy Trinity" is beyond human explanation because they cannot explain it.

[RetiredEgo]

1. I said- A group of dialects of a perfect language can all be perfect.

2. A perfect language is both written, spoken and thought.

3. It's not a copout, unlike saying-'you can't understand' point blank, she/he says- 'It is as intellectually complete as your reasoning appreciates and still has more tricks/intruiging stuff, so to say that is beyond you for now' some stuff scientists will discover in hundreds of years and some we just won't ever get to. What's wrong with that?

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

1. I said- A group of dialects of a perfect language can all be perfect.

How? Which dialect would you compare it with?

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

2. A perfect language is both written, spoken and thought.

If you're thinking it, its not a language.

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

3. It's not a copout, unlike saying-'you can't understand' point blank, she/he says- 'It is as intellectually complete as your reasoning appreciates and still has more tricks/intruiging stuff, so to say that is beyond you for now' some stuff scientists will discover in hundreds of years and some we just won't ever get to. What's wrong with that?

That is NOT what she/he said, and you know it.

[RetiredEgo]

Continuation-

As an academician who believes in the power of writing and drawing up perfect plans to execute projects. I believe a perfected faith from a perfect God should be carefully drawn out in most remarkable script, and in an academic way.

1. Arabic is acknowledged to be one of the greatest languages ever on Earth.
So perfect that it introduced the zero to all numenclature, and Romans borrowed it to make computation possible.

2. It is so memorizable, to add a perfect securing of the information of this perfect manual, that due to the harmony of the Quran in arabic, it is the most memorized in completion book on Earth. Many people round the world from the Prophet till date keep the whole Quran in their heads. Remarkable and almost impossible feat. I believe a perfect message should not be limited to books and paper, but must be stickable in the common, not too smart mans head. The Quran is memorized in totality by the smart and the dumb.


to be continued...

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

Continuation-

As an academician who believes in the power of writing and drawing up perfect plans to execute projects. I believe a perfected faith from a perfect God should be carefully drawn out in most remarkable script, and in an academic way.

You still have yet to answer my question.

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

1. Arabic is acknowledged to be one of the greatest languages ever on Earth.
So perfect that it introduced the zero to all numenclature, and Romans borrowed it to make computation possible.

That doesn't mean that it was perfect. And Arabs were not the first to use 0.

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

2. It is so memorizable, to add a perfect securing of the information of this perfect manual, that due to the harmony of the Quran in arabic, it is the most memorized in completion book on Earth. Many people round the world from the Prophet till date keep the whole Quran in their heads. Remarkable and almost impossible feat. I believe a perfect message should not be limited to books and paper, but must be stickable in the common, not too smart mans head. The Quran is memorized in totality by the smart and the dumb.

That has absolutely nothing to do with perfection.

[RetiredEgo]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

How? Which dialect would you compare it with?

Why do you always insist on one being more perfect? You can choose any of the perfect dialects, all are perfect, or to avoid people mixing them, you may select a prefered/1st tongue of the messenger and establish that. Whichever you choose, all are perfect. Infact original hebrew too is a perfect language.

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

If you're thinking it, its not a language.

So you think.

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

That is NOT what she/he said, and you know it.

If she thought it can't be explained/proven, why did she indicate she/he was anticipating reading more on my attestation of perfection to living human, you?

[RetiredEgo]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

You still have yet to answer my question.

That doesn't mean that it was perfect. And Arabs were not the first to use 0.
That has absolutely nothing to do with perfection.

Who introduced the zero?(the hindus?)

Oh yes, memorizeability has a lot to do with perfection. Man must not need carry/tag a book along each time. If it can't be all placed in our minds it all doesn't need be with us always. But then, your expectations of perfection may be lower than mine

What question?

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

Why do you always insist on one being more perfect? You can choose any of the perfect dialects, all are perfect, or to avoid people mixing them, you may select a prefered/1st tongue of the messenger and establish that. Whichever you choose, all are perfect. Infact original hebrew too is a perfect language.

If its perfect, then why would there be different dialects?

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

So you think.

I mean, what i'm thinking does not become a language unless you can read my thoughts.

Originally Posted by RetiredEgo

If she thought it can't be explained/proven, why did she indicate she/he was anticipating reading more on my attestation of perfection to living human, you?

How about we let he/she come in and explain what they meant, instead of doing it for them?