Christians,what's the relevance of the OLD TESTAMENT?

[crAzy Don]

...to your religion?

Since your religion is all about CHRISTianity, why dont you restrict your doctrines to just the Gospels? circa the teachings of Christ?


Heck why are the letters of Paul et al important at all? They were regular human beings/Christians like u and me right? Yes we can listen to what he says and choose to agree with him but why do some people look at his letters/teachings like a religion (almost like they worship their pastors?)

[superego]

[Sir Cristao]

The Holy book is the Bible not the New Testament only but both Testaments... Both are the word of GOD revealed to men. No Christian would doubt the relevance of either!

[crAzy Don]

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

The Holy book is the Bible not the New Testament only but both Testaments... Both are the word of GOD revealed to men. No Christian would doubt the relevance of either!

but God revealed himself as the smiteful "dont mess with me" judaic master of the universe and in the gospels as a caring loving forgiving father

Surely u must have an explanation for that pastor...?

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by crAzy Don

...to your religion?

Since your religion is all about CHRISTianity, why dont you restrict your doctrines to just the Gospels? circa the teachings of Christ?


Heck why are the letters of Paul et al important at all? They were regular human beings/Christians like u and me right? Yes we can listen to what he says and choose to agree with him but why do some people look at his letters/teachings like a religion (almost like they worship their pastors?)

Unfortunately brother, Christianity as we know it today was not started by Jesus Christ, but by the disciples of people like Paul. It is no secret that Paul's letters are quoted more than the words of Christ himself. I am not sure how an interpretation of an interpretation of a spiritual teaching of a master can be put on the same level (or even above it) as the spiritual teaching of the master itself! Paul's interpretations are no more inspired than the interpretations of a pastor today, and nobody dares say that pastors are infallible!.

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by crAzy Don

but God revealed himself as the smiteful "dont mess with me" judaic master of the universe and in the gospels as a caring loving forgiving father

Surely u must have an explanation for that pastor...?

LMAO! You dont' want to ask that brother. I can show several clear examples (in context I might add) of the dramatic differences between the Old Testament and New Testament God and I guarantee you that there will no no logical explanation given by these people.

[Sir Cristao]

Originally Posted by crAzy Don

but God revealed himself as the smiteful "dont mess with me" judaic master of the universe and in the gospels as a caring loving forgiving father

Surely u must have an explanation for that pastor...?

that is the way u see it .. He revealed himself as someone who hates sin but is quick and merciful enough to hold his hands off and forgive you if you repent. He also revealed himself as willing to dialogue with humans. It is the same GOD in both Testaments.

He saw the need for a more personal relationship with man hence the more 'lovable' approach in the new testament!

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

that is the way u see it .. He revealed himself as someone who hates sin but is quick and merciful enough to hold his hands off and forgive you if you repent. He also revealed himself as willing to dialogue with humans. It is the same GOD in both Testaments.

He saw the need for a more personal relationship with man hence the more 'lovable' approach in the new testament!

Are you sure about that? Cuz that same Old Testament God was also a very jealous and unforgiving God that ordered the Isrealites to commit genocide.

[Sir Cristao]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

Are you sure about that? Cuz that same Old Testament God was also a very jealous and unforgiving God that ordered the Isrealites to commit genocide.

do you understand why GOD commanded the Israelites to wipe out the Amalekites? It is connected to the Anakites, the Nephilim and the other races of giants through whom Satan sought to thwart God's prophecy for the future.

GOD is jealous yes but he is also very forgiving. He is like a father who delivers many warnings, many signs and sends prophets to give advice and holds back his hand until his righteous anger has been stirred fully. Then he arises and when GOD arises who can stand before him!

[KAG]

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

do you understand why GOD commanded the Israelites to wipe out the Amalekites? It is connected to the Anakites, the Nephilim and the other races of giants through whom Satan sought to thwart God's prophecy for the future.

Could you expand on that? Also, the Amalekites weren't the only tribe that was "wiped out" as reported by the OT.

GOD is jealous yes but he is also very forgiving.

Hmm, an omnipotent, omniscient being that is jealous. You couldn't make it up (or maybe you could). What is God jealous of?

He is like a father who delivers many warnings, many signs and sends prophets to give advice and holds back his hand until his righteous anger has been stirred fully. Then he arises and when GOD arises who can stand before him!

But what happens when God stops the person from heeding the many warnings? Furthermore, what about those who no doubt didn't get the warnings (as we would imagine in situations where the "righetous anger" of God is large scale)?

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

do you understand why GOD commanded the Israelites to wipe out the Amalekites? It is connected to the Anakites, the Nephilim and the other races of giants through whom Satan sought to thwart God's prophecy for the future.

The Isrealities wiped out ALOT more folks than the Anakites. And if genocide was wrong then why is it wrong today? If "God" could tell the Jews to commit mass murder back then, what makes you think that He/She didnt' tell Hitler, Stalin and Bush to commit mass murder today?

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

GOD is jealous yes but he is also very forgiving.

The God of the Old Testment is not only jealous, He is also racist, sexist, blood thirsty, and all around bad. That God seems no better than his creation.

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

He is like a father who delivers many warnings, many signs and sends prophets to give advice and holds back his hand until his righteous anger has been stirred fully. Then he arises and when GOD arises who can stand before him!

What you just stated goes directly against the God that Jesus preached about.

[superego]

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

that is the way u see it .. He revealed himself as someone who hates sin but is quick and merciful enough to hold his hands off and forgive you if you repent. He also revealed himself as willing to dialogue with humans. It is the same GOD in both Testaments.

He saw the need for a more personal relationship with man hence the more 'lovable' approach in the new testament!

I mean..like i said in the other thread, it is when people who are asssumed to be and represent the religions, say stuff like this that they make athiests of men..eg-kag.

These athiests understand rightly that for God to be possible, he must be so eternally and infinitely perfect to have designed genetic codes, biochemical reactions and physics wonders. Hence when peeps like u above, belittle God to a mallable man type thing, who 'sees the need'. learns, changes in simple things like this behaviour social problem..then athiests are born. Cuz hell na a God who rules rna polymerase and the tripple redundancy genetic code and never saw the need to change these, will not do so for simple social problems, or I too reject such God.

Stop justifying innacuracy and human contaminations due to the faith of paul's being imbibed etc...with ur religious authority. U loose believers in God by so doing. Think and learn urself b4 u justify. And use real scripture..yes it can be found..let ur love of Yashuwa lead u to find his and the true words. God Never sees the need!

[Sir Cristao]

superego, the Muslim view of GOD is different from the Christian view of GOD.. GOD in Christianity is a father figure also someone you can discuss with like a brother. From the days of Adam, that is how GOD wanted it to be. For humans and him to discuss just like you and me now. Afterall all humans when reborn in the Spirit are fully sons of GOD and have regained their access to his presence through Jesus Christ his Son ..

Onyiboy, you are wrong. The funny thing is I do not wish to enter an argument with you because i already know the fruitlessness of it.

KAG, lemme not even start. Your view of GOD is noted already.

I can see how you three above view GOD .. sorry i dont share that view. He has always been fair and just in my eyes and from the beginning of time.

I have described my view of GOD, thanks for describing him in your own ways!

[superego]

Originally Posted by Sir Cristao

Superego, the Muslim view of GOD is different from the Christian view of GOD.. GOD in Christianity is a father figure also someone you can discuss with like a brother. From the days of Adam, that is how GOD wanted it to be. For humans and him to discuss just like you and me now. Afterall all humans when reborn in the Spirit are fully sons of GOD and have regained their access to his presence through Jesus Christ his Son ..

Onyiboy, you are wrong. The funny thing is I do not wish to enter an argument with you because i already know the fruitlessness of it.

KAG, lemme not even start. Your view of GOD is noted already.

I can see how you three above view GOD .. sorry i dont share that view. He has always been fair and just in my eyes and from the beginning of time.

I have described my view of GOD, thanks for describing him in your own ways!

U damn right on that.

[eby187]

Originally Posted by superego

U damn right on that.

lol.

My point of view is that the God of the OT is inconsistent with the God of the NT. It can only mean one thing, it's either the pple of the OT got it wrong or the pple of the NT got it wrong. The God of the OT appears too human for me, being all jealous and angry and quick to strike you dead if you make a mistake...if God is supposed to be perfect, how can he exhibit such tendencies? If God equals love, as most christians tend to preach, how can he "harden" pharoah's heart in the book of exodus so that he could then punish him?