Questions.

[coBra]

got a couple of quetions i'd love to discuss.....

here's one:

is the bible....

1. "literally" the word of God....and should not be questioned ?...i.e.: ALL perfect divine inspiration ?

OR

2. A witness to Gods message which was written by humans....which was partly inspired ?

OR

3. Something different from the two above mentioned points.

cheers

-C.

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by coBra

got a couple of quetions i'd love to discuss.....

here's one:

is the bible....

1. "literally" the word of God....and should not be questioned ?...i.e.: ALL perfect divine inspiration ?

OR

2. A witness to Gods message which was written by humans....which was partly inspired ?

OR

3. Something different from the two above mentioned points.

cheers

-C.

1. THe "Word of God" is stated in the first chapter of John

2. Every religious text is inspired by God in some way and has a bit of truth in it

Here are some more questions:

1. If the Bible was the word of God, then why do different churches have different Bibles with different books? For example, the book of Jude quotes the Book of Enoch, and yet that book is not included in our Bible (but its in the Ethiopian Bible)

2. When did the Bible start being called the word of God?

3. Why is the Bible the only religious scripture (that I know of at least) that includes letters as scripture?

4. Does divine inspiration equal divine interpretation by the writers?

5. What makes the writings of Paul any different than the writings of a pastor...or you and me for that matter?

6. Why is there such a conflicting view of God between the old testement and the new testement?

7. Why do we listen to people who claim that the Bible is the word of God when the countless writers of it never said it was, and never intended it to be?

8. If Christ wanted us to be lead by a book why didn't he write it himself?

9. What were Moses, Abraham, Enoch, David and other holy men lead by? A religious text or the spirit?

10. How can imperfect humans create something perfect?

11. Who gave the Europeans the authority to compile the Bible the way they saw fit and declare it to be the truth?

12. Why is slavery never once condemend in the Bible?

[BlueBeauty]

To me its more like 2 but not quite.

Let’s say someone wrote a poem, inspired by a loved one. Now, say nine other people met this loved one at some point in time and each person wrote a poem inspired by the same loved one. If all these poems were gathered together, don’t you think they’ll reflect the nature & characteristics of the loved one? Don’t you think each one will present a slightly different aspects of this loved one? Some will focus on the attitude some may focus on the looks others may speak of the actions. So do you think that reading 1 poem about someone offers a better reflection of that individual than reading 10 poems by different authors about the same person?

That’s how I see the bible, it a record of how some people experienced and worshiped God. Collectively, it reflects the nature of God. Unlike other similar books, the fact that it is a compilation of letters or articles from over 40 different authors with different perspectives, makes it a richer multi dimensional reflection of the nature of God, the differences actually makes it stronger and more tangible to me.

Its goal is to guide someone who chooses to worship this God. As stated in 2nd Timothy 3:16-17.

But humans, as usual, with their twisted minds, have twisted its purpose for their own selfish gain.

[BlueBeauty]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

8. If Christ wanted us to be lead by a book why didn't he write it himself?

Now THAT is a gold medal question!

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

To me its more like 2 but not quite.

Let’s say someone wrote a poem, inspired by a loved one. Now, say nine other people met this loved one at some point in time and each person wrote a poem inspired by the same loved one. If all these poems were gathered together, don’t you think they’ll reflect the nature & characteristics of the loved one? Don’t you think each one will present a slightly different aspects of this loved one? Some will focus on the attitude some may focus on the looks others may speak of the actions. So do you think that reading 1 poem about someone offers a better reflection of that individual than reading 10 poems by different authors about the same person?

That’s how I see the bible, it a record of how some people experienced and worshiped God. Collectively, it reflects the nature of God. Unlike other similar books, the fact that it is a compilation of letters or articles from over 40 different authors with different perspectives, makes it a richer multi dimensional reflection of the nature of God, the differences actually makes it stronger and more tangible to me.

Thats all good and dandy, but what I want to know is how people can think that writing a poem that is inspired by someone = that someone writing the poem. A person calling the Bible the Word of God is downright blasphemy, and even the people who wrote it never would have intended it to be viewed that way.

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

Its goal is to guide someone who chooses to worship this God. As stated in 2nd Timothy 3:16-17.

Paul was right...all scripture is inspired by God in some way, shape or form seeing as how God is within us and surrounds us. This includes Christian scriptures, Jewish ones, Muslim ones, Buddhist ones...etc

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

But humans, as usual, with their twisted minds, have twisted its purpose for their own selfish gain.

Once a person starts calling the words of man the "Word of God", nothing good will become of it.

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

Now THAT is a gold medal question!

Now lets see who can give a gold medal answer

[Isi eri]

The Bible was written by man.

[Onyiiboy]

More questions:

13. How does one explain the blatant contradictions of the New Testement?

14. Aren't the same people that say that the Bible is the word of God, the exact same people that were using it to justify slavery and mistreatment of non-whites?

15. Who really wrote the Gospels?

[BlueBeauty]

Dude relax! I never said its the word of God! I said like #2 but note quite.

Jeezz calm down. I've always being against the opinion of #1.

Now read my post again.

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

Thats all good and dandy, but what I want to know is how writing a poem that is inspired by someone = that someone wrote the poem. Calling the Bible the Word of God is downright blasphemy, and even the people who wrote it never would have intended it to be viewed that way.



Paul was right...all scripture is inspired by God in some way, shape or form seeing as how God is within us and surrounds us. This includes Christian scriptures, Jewish ones, Muslim ones, Buddhist ones...etc



Once you start calling the words of man the "Word of God", nothing good will become of it.



Now lets see who can give a gold medal answer

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

Dude relax! I never said its the word of God! I said like #2 but note quite.

Jeezz calm down. I've always being against the opinion of #1.

Now read my post again.

I never said you did, I was speaking in general

But perhaps I should reword what I wrote to make that clear.

[BlueBeauty]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

I never said you did, I was speaking in general

But perhaps I should reword what I wrote to make that clear.

well your response is directly targeted at my post, you even incorporated phrases from my text.

but what I want to know is how writing a poem that is inspired by someone = that someone wrote the poem.

I was just offering my opinion in response to the original post. People who believe in #1 totally disagree with my opinion. And i am not here to defend other peoples stance. i don't play devils’ advocate.

[Onyiiboy]

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

well your response is directly targeted at my post, you even incorporated phrases from my text.

I apologize, I should have put "I agree" at the beginning.

[coBra]

Originally Posted by Onyiiboy

1. THe "Word of God" is stated in the first chapter of John

2. Every religious text is inspired by God in some way and has a bit of truth in it

Here are some more questions:

1. If the Bible was the word of God, then why do different churches have different Bibles with different books? For example, the book of Jude quotes the Book of Enoch, and yet that book is not included in our Bible (but its in the Ethiopian Bible)

2. When did the Bible start being called the word of God?

3. Why is the Bible the only religious scripture (that I know of at least) that includes letters as scripture?

4. Does divine inspiration equal divine interpretation by the writers?

5. What makes the writings of Paul any different than the writings of a pastor...or you and me for that matter?

6. Why is there such a conflicting view of God between the old testement and the new testement?

7. Why do we listen to people who claim that the Bible is the word of God when the countless writers of it never said it was, and never intended it to be?

8. If Christ wanted us to be lead by a book why didn't he write it himself?
9. What were Moses, Abraham, Enoch, David and other holy men lead by? A religious text or the spirit?

10. How can imperfect humans create something perfect?

11. Who gave the Europeans the authority to compile the Bible the way they saw fit and declare it to be the truth?

12. Why is slavery never once condemend in the Bible?

these are good questions Onyiboy....especialy questions 8. + 11. ...

as per question 1.:
that was going to be one of my later questions.....
i read about the apocrypha and its history and it gave rise even more questions...for example: about the bibilical canons and the authority vested in the ecumenical councils that made certain (often politically motivated) decisions which, up till today, define the bibles currently in use.

[coBra]

Originally Posted by BlueBeauty

To me its more like 2 but not quite.

Let’s say someone wrote a poem, inspired by a loved one. Now, say nine other people met this loved one at some point in time and each person wrote a poem inspired by the same loved one. If all these poems were gathered together, don’t you think they’ll reflect the nature & characteristics of the loved one? Don’t you think each one will present a slightly different aspects of this loved one? Some will focus on the attitude some may focus on the looks others may speak of the actions. So do you think that reading 1 poem about someone offers a better reflection of that individual than reading 10 poems by different authors about the same person?

That’s how I see the bible, it a record of how some people experienced and worshiped God. Collectively, it reflects the nature of God. Unlike other similar books, the fact that it is a compilation of letters or articles from over 40 different authors with different perspectives, makes it a richer multi dimensional reflection of the nature of God, the differences actually makes it stronger and more tangible to me.

Its goal is to guide someone who chooses to worship this God. As stated in 2nd Timothy 3:16-17.

But humans, as usual, with their twisted minds, have twisted its purpose for their own selfish gain.

hmm, very interesting perspective with the poem...
so do you have a problem with questioning the bibles content...?
e.g.: as per accuracy, errors due to translation etc etc....

[coBra]

Originally Posted by Isi eri

The Bible was written by man.

divinely inspired men?

[Isi eri]

Originally Posted by coBra

divinely inspired men?

By men who claimed to be divinely inspired.